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Innovative (SuperAdmin) 6/19/2011 3:01 AM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy
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Newsh said:
Why didnt my post go through wtf


LOL, because you edited my post, instead of creating your own reply. its a good thing i rememberd what i had typed out, so i could repost it. I deleted my post and redid it, however, you didn't make a post, but you did, edit my post replacing my post witg yours, im guessing you thought you pressed quote or reply, rather than edit my post.

lol@pic

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Toutles (Applicant) 6/19/2011 4:05 AM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy

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yeah i noticed my self not using PoM enough all the time im trying to rmbr to hit it off cd lol but sometimes i just forget like tonight.

I reforged to mastery now cause i wana run bwd again and see the numbers then compare both WoL's thats the real reason. 

Edit: I lost 10% Crit
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Innovative (SuperAdmin) 6/19/2011 11:09 AM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy
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Toutles said:
yeah i noticed my self not using PoM enough all the time im trying to rmbr to hit it off cd lol but sometimes i just forget like tonight.

I reforged to mastery now cause i wana run bwd again and see the numbers then compare both WoL's thats the real reason. 

Edit: I lost 10% Crit


You lost 10% crit, if you're counting raid buffs, yes, since raid buffs provide a extra 5% crit. I was told that you changed to mastery for a much different reason, you see, i know the person you spoke to in that pug..

I went to find your priest in zul'jin, where you based stat priority off someone else, I found this guy:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/zuljin/Guun/advanced

as you can see by his gearing, he's stacked mastery, not crit. how did you manage to refer someone who stacks mastery not crit to backup your opinion???

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Toutles (Applicant) 6/19/2011 3:42 PM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy

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Innovative2 said:
Toutles said:
yeah i noticed my self not using PoM enough all the time im trying to rmbr to hit it off cd lol but sometimes i just forget like tonight.

I reforged to mastery now cause i wana run bwd again and see the numbers then compare both WoL's thats the real reason. 

Edit: I lost 10% Crit


You lost 10% crit, if you're counting raid buffs, yes, since raid buffs provide a extra 5% crit. I was told that you changed to mastery for a much different reason, you see, i know the person you spoke to in that pug..

I went to find your priest in zul'jin, where you based stat priority off someone else, I found this guy:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/zuljin/Guun/advanced

as you can see by his gearing, he's stacked mastery, not crit. how did you manage to refer someone who stacks mastery not crit to backup your opinion???



I talked to her in the pug about it. She said she would give me just as much shit. Yes, but that is still not the reason i changed. I am going to run a normal BWD again and see how much of a diff it makes. Also about the imperative priest let me find my old APP to them were he told me to go crit over mastery tell 30%. I might not be able to.
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Toutles (Applicant) 6/19/2011 3:50 PM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy

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Found it:

Guunstav says...
Spec and Glyphs look Ok.


"You should start reforging a lot of that mastery to crit as disc, since the patch Crit is weighted slightly higher. Your reforging needs a lot of work in general to get the stat weights prioritized properly."

i asked him why after that he said:

Guunstav says...good discussion around crit on here and some previous pages:
http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t110244-cat ... ndium/p24/

"The bottom line is that since our mana cost of shield increased and duration of shield decreased the value of DA procs increased drastically."


I tried crit out and i liked it. It i know works for 10 man a lot. 25's im not so sure as i never 25 crit healed. There is a lot of debat on that link about the value of crit and haste over mastery for 10 man.
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Innovative (SuperAdmin) 6/19/2011 4:38 PM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy
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EJ just does math for healing, it's not always right. So you based your playstyle after looking at EJ and assumed it was all right. Most people posting for healing priests, aren't even near 13/13. While EJ is a good source for numbers, nobody should ever determine how they play off EJ.

This quote:
"The bottom line is that since our mana cost of shield increased and duration of shield decreased the value of DA procs increased drastically."


That guun guy doesn't even have crit as his main stat, mastery though. He probably realized that he was wrong and changed it.

Even if PoH spam is more HPS than shield spam if you stack crit, it's still better to stack mastery.

Healing isn't just HPS, having high-highest HPS isn't what healing is all about. Preshielding is a very, very useful tool, especially for disc, as compared to PoH/DA, you can't really pre-bubble DA, the only way to do it, is to overheal for DA to proc, which is a waste of time (overhealing, cast time), mana, and healing. Pre-shielding is also amazing for inc burst damage, for example, ODS magmatron incineration security measure or whatever, cho'gall shadow thing, maloriak p3 acid rain, atramedes searing flame, magmaw p2 shadow w/e, I could go on & on really. Disc is mainly to prevent damage, then healing players. Big bubble for preventative damage.

It's also irrelevant, in earlier posts that you mentioned, DA can be refreshed. If you ever need to refresh DA because the bubble isn't gone by the time it expires, which means that you're most likely overhealing, people have full hp, etc.

Facts:
1. Mastery is a better stat to stack than crit as a raiding disc priest (which you are, in this case)
2. EJ is a good place for information, but shouldn't determine your playstyle. EJ is mainly for numbers, theorycrafting, not all of them are raiders or even play priests.

PS: Wtf is this font, it's not default font. Ew

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Moonbébe (Council) 6/19/2011 4:41 PM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy

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I'm not sure why you are still wasting time with this app....

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Innovative (SuperAdmin) 6/19/2011 4:41 PM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy
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Moonbébe said:
I'm not sure why you are still wasting time with this app....


I like posting

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Maladi77 (Applicant) 6/19/2011 5:27 PM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy

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Ok, so this horse might be beaten to death and I might be a bit out of place posting in this app thread, but I hope you guys will forgive me for shooting it in the head once for good measure.

The EJ sim concluded that crit was slightly ahead of mastery for a 2 shield triage rotation. That's raw math, what does it mean for healing? It means that for healing situations where you do not rely much on PW:S, crit will pull ahead of mastery. This basically means tank healing, some 10 man situations, and heavy suppression style damage in 25 man. 

The conclusion, as far as healing 25 mans is concerned, is that unless you are a full time tank healer, you should be prioritizing mastery over crit. This is because of the value of pre-shielding outweighs the small increase to total healing you will gain for things like p2 al'akir. If a priest told you to reforge out of mastery and in to crit for 25 man, didn't mention to wait until 4.2, and didn't mention that mastery is superior for the damage styles we see in current content then he was wrong and you can quote me on that.
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Mooogooo (SuperAdmin) 6/19/2011 5:29 PM EST : RE: Toutles - Disc/Holy

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who is this maladi guy, get out of here lol

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