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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 9/1/2011 2:52 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Hi team,

We've made some fairly large but beneficial changes to the KP system that are effective for all new events ran today (Sep 1, 2011) and going forward. Everything is outlined on the KP page. I have added information to the KP change log and I will also outline items here.

  1. We've removed Event Requests from the KP page, these can now simply be made in the Shout/Yalp box. An officer or EC will grab them and add them to the EC forum request to be scheduled. This will help in getting them in queue faster as presently today they post as news items that I have to approve for view.
  2. Definitions: There are no changes made to the definitions that existed other than correcting typos and clarifying where we often got questions. Additionally, two new definitions were added that support rules that exist today, but we didn't have outlined there. Finally, 1 new definition added (Loot Tier) that is completely new.
  3. WE HAVE A CALCULATOR - Complete hats off and gratitude to Py to developing the Code on this, but you can see the results of this on the KP page. There are directions in the KP direction tables on the left of the page. This will make it infinitely easier for you as a team to submit the correct values for runs as well as for me to review/approve them. It is also pretty! Thank you PY!
  4. To support the calculator and the time usually involved in maintaining the system and converting the tickets, we have streamlined the system. Base values have all been set as constants as well as adjustments/bonuses. There are several benefits of this going forward. First, we don't have to re-evaluate the values or come up with new ones when new content comes out. Second, it makes it simple and allows the calculator to work. Third, It maintains and instills the value of 1 KP. It keeps previous and future investment at par. This means there is more emphasis on how much folks are helped and that KP being earned equally valuable now and the future. This also helps align other benefits to the kin like leveling and crafting. Those returns no longer diminish because we have solidified again the value of 1 KP.
  5. Crafting has added a Best Attempt for single use non guild recipes to compensate Crafters when their mats go to a non-crit results. It does require that the non-crit items be donated to the kin, however.
  6. Class Quests and Deeds have been simplified to fit within the construct of the calculator
  7. Max buy In values and Raid Leader KP has been flattened to be in line with the new table and calculator. The result is not a material change, but moved us from % to set values and in the case of Buy-in, since KP earned doesn't vary by Raid anymore in terms of what raid, the buy-ins now correspond to the tier/challenge.

Altogether the hope is the make the system that we have received a lot of praise on to be a bit more automatic and steam lined while maintaining the underlining values on which the system was founded.

If you have questions, please let me know. The calculator is pretty easy to use and has Tool Tips as well.

Jacob

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Gilirwen (SuperAdmin) 9/1/2011 6:00 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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What an impressive, functional, and user friendly kp calculator, I love it!!  Amazing job Py...thank you so much!!

One question Jake, you state that this table is "for all new events ran today (Sep 1, 2011) and going forward."  So the Moria run we did on Tuesday the 30th, I should use the old method, correct?  And yes, I know I should have already submitted it, but I completely forgot about it until I saw this thread.
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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 9/1/2011 6:26 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Yes, use previous values for items prior to today that were run. If you do not recall the values, just connect with me in game (I have them all archived.)

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Py (SuperAdmin) 9/1/2011 8:39 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Added Raid Leader option in the Bonuses column. The Raid Leader checkbox displays only when a raid is selected and the value is added to total KP only when KP triggers. Please test and confirm. I can always revert to the previous version if there is a bug. 
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Strygaldwyr (Member) 9/1/2011 8:53 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Outstanding!!!
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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 10/4/2011 11:49 AM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Gathering added to crafting hall. It follows same Craft KP rules.

  • Tier of mats for mats provided (T7 = 7 for example)
  • 2 KP for crafting
  • 1 KP for gated recipe
For example if mats are provided for a T7 craft level and Tier 3 gated component, then it would be 10kp. If mats are not provided by crafter, then it would be 3KP

Mats count as being provided by crafter if it meets the stack requirement of 15 T3 components.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 10/11/2011 2:36 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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updated the Special Loot Thread. Leaving OD Orange on there for now.

Superior Fourth Mark is there when you get an extra one.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 10/31/2011 8:38 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Py has added a "copy" macro for the tables. This allows you to copy a bit more easily the corresponding table that you need. Check it out.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 12/12/2011 4:01 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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No point or rule changes here. Just opening Discovery KP for new instances

Discovery KP is open for the following instances for the following formats:

A couple reminders on Discovery KP:
  1. Must be an all member/recruit group
  2. First group to do it is awarded and then it's closed
  3. Indicate it in your KP post
  4. KP discovery link on the right of the KP Page will be updated to communicate which ones are still open
  5. We are going to open T2 CM Completion version

Instances:

  • Dragnakh UNleashed T2 CM Completed
  • Pits of Isen T2 CM Completed
  • Fangorn's Edge T2 CM
  • The Foundry T2 CM

The ToO raid as always is slightly different where BA is awarded for each set of 3 BA until it is down at which point BA only triggers once for future attempts.


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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 1/10/2012 1:18 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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A couple of highlights.

1. All the discovery instances have been closed as Fangorn T2 CM was completed a couple weeks ago. ToO still remains open, but that only entails that there are multiple bonuses for Best Attempts versus the standard one time bonus.

2. Recipes that require more than one shard/flake (like Supreme Tools) get to count mats used portion for each used. For example Tools will get 12KP for mats versus the normal 6KP. (Journals still count as a separate craft item altogether if used.)

3. Special Item mats: Any item used in the recipe that requires a special item will be changes from the flat 10 to the special loot items bonus + loot tier. Examples:
  • Symbols of Celebrimbor = 10KP (5 for special loot + 5 for teal)
  • Symbols of Elder King = 15kp (5 for special loot + 10 for orange)
  • Scales = 15KP each (same as above as they are orange)

Small changes, but trying to keep the points earned in crafting steady in with what is earned with content while keeping inflation at bay.

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