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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 5/9/2012 3:09 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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One update and then the note below:

  • Worn Symbols of Celebrimbor - no longer on special loot list. They are still on loot list, but will not trigger bonus or bonus penalty when bidding/rolling on the item. Winning it will be just like any other teal item on loot list. (Follows same patter of last two 2nd age caps where as drop rate increased and needs of kin decreased, we dropped it from loot list).

Note to say we will be from now till next xpac reviewing two things on KP.

1) KP earned versus spent in spaces (should be close while considering losing base when you win something) and 2) Craft KP model to simplify it and keep it from increasing as new craft tiers come out since we have flattened out all other KP.

On Craft - we will continue to evaluate how the service is used and what it means for those supplying mats since Turbine did change last release how the special ingredients could be obtained (a move from landscape sigs in spawn pts to random craft nodes).

KP spend rate. We want balances to make sense. We realize that with armour now being a deed/unified currency thing (after draigoch), running more events daily/weekly, and us not getting to T2 yet for ToO, we know that folks are waiting to spend KP on T2 items (1st ages, rare jewellery, cloaks etc. as we have seen with things like scales and clasps that go for large amounts people save up). We just want to make sure it working at right levels. One thing to help this is to please make sure 1) post KP tickets when KP is earned (want to make sure people get their due when they earn), and 2) don't take loot merely for triggering KP (make sure tickets are really based on true needs and not just getting people KP for KP sake).

Thanks team! We love the system, we just want to make sure it continues to reward folks appropriately for their contributions to the kin and to others in the kin. If by xpac, we fill like an adjustment is needed, it will be based on what we experience between the ToO T2 runs and then.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 5/16/2012 5:21 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Loot list chapters have been added for:
  • Roots of Fangorn
  • Fornost
***I have been asked a few times about Spider Eggs and Star-lit crystals. At this point neither are special loot. Until it is posted as such just submit based on loot tier (teal presently).

I have had to just list at this point since lorebook is not updated. Please post anything on RoF loot list on the raid/instance thread, it will help others looking for loot. Thanks.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 5/21/2012 1:50 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Added Fornost T2 CM to the Discovery List
 - Water already closed last week - good job team

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 8/28/2012 1:18 AM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Updated Crafting KP to be as follows (effective immediately) - it is also in the definitions on the KP page under Crafting

  • 2kp base - you craft something you get 2kp
  • 2kp mats - you provide mats, you get 2kp (no longer includes shards/flakes/sigils/etc)
  • 2kp guild item - you provide guild item, you get 2kp
  • 2kp gated recipe - you use a recipe gated from guild or rep, yo uget  2kp
  • Special Item Tier Bonus - you use a purple (2kp), teal (5kp), Orange (10kp) - shards, flakes, sigils, symbols, scales, clasps (all listed in definitions on Kp table)

Base + Mats + Guild Item + Gated Recipe + Special Item

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 9/1/2012 2:46 AM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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 We have new forms up. We also have a new ticket specifically for deeds.

Here is an example below of how you could do it.


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List all Deeds Completed Players Attended Number Player Completed KP Earned
Trim Dwarf Beards
Find a female dwarf
Grand Stairs - explore the dwarves mess
Slayer of Goblins
Titan
 PLayer A  1  4
 Player B  5  0
 Player C  2  3
 Player D  3  2
     
     

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 9/22/2012 10:16 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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The News Items widget on GP is presently broken. It will not allow for edits or updates. This means that KP cannot be converted at the moment. I am giving GP until EoD on Monday to fix it before I figure out a intermittent solution. Sorry for the confusion. Please use what you have on the table at this point less anything posted you have spent.

You CAN still submit KP, but I cannot post it to view due to this bug.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 1/13/2013 9:41 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Hi team,

A few threads above had indicated evaluations on values earned, and we have been watching it for awhile now (i'd say about a little more than a year). We have previously refrained from lowering values (even though spending per items had gone down) just so we could continue to evaluate it with the overhaul we did about 2 years ago.

The changes are minor. We have decided not to touch values for Raids, and continue to evaluate the price paid in those spaces. It fluxuates a lot and with the recent changes (and more coming) to how loot works now with LotRO,  we just want to take a wait and see approach.

  Changes;
  1. Raid Participation KP - this was originally implemented to provide a bonus to helping the team work through content, play strategically together in larger more complicated content, and to provide a bonus to those whom came for at least an hour, but the team hadn't made enough progress to get to a loot chest (usually happens in discoveries). Raid Participation KP will now only be available for Non-Farm raids. We will reserve it for any raid or raid tier that is not listed in the RoE as "farm" status.
  2. We've made minor tweaks to values in smaller group content - 
    • BA SF T1: 1 -> 0
    • SF T1 Completed: 2 -> 1
    • BA SF T2: 2 -> 1
    • SF T2: 3 -> 2
    • BA F T1: 3 -> 2
    • F T1: No Change
    • BA F T2: 5 -> 4
    • F T2: No Change
    • R T1: No Change
    • R T2: No Change
    • Challenge Mode Bonus: No Change
    • Loot Tier: No Change
    • Deeds: No Change
    • Special Loot: No Change
    • Declared Loot Penalty: No Change
P.S. Before the Website Crash and data loss, we had a nice thread going on how the new loot mechanics work. I will try to recreate this as well as post some reminders.

Please let an officer or EC know if you do not know how to submit a KP - we can help with it.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 3/8/2013 11:29 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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Added the new content to the Discovery KP table - means it's open for triple KP if you are in first full kin group to do it.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 3/15/2013 4:22 AM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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There will be an official RoE change as well to clarify, but that might take me more time that I have tonight. I wanted to get this up for everyone.

In the end, we considered two things. One of which we are going with for now, and the second we are going to deliberate on and see if it is really needed.

Change to take place:
CaptainofGondor said:

 It allows people to plan RL around getting loot and makes a predictable path to obtain loot.


All non-scheduled events (tbd as "Farm" events once I set that up in the RoE) will no longer earn KP and will no longer be permitted to spend KP in. However, this doesn't mean that groups can form a sub loot rules. It will mean whatever drops in the bags is yours to keep. Does this mean you can be generous, of course, but there is no subset rules for how loot works and no one pulling loot out of bags.

Scheduled events and raids will continue to earn KP and that is where you can spend KP. Those scheduled events can be for anything. And as always, the leaders are responsible for getting that ticket in whether that is delegating it or not.

Other ways KP is earned will still stand. Still supplying people with plenty of avenues. 

Feel free to ask questions. This is effective Th March 15 for events on or after 8pm pst.

The other consideration is a form of Zero Sum. And Mel suggested a form we will consider if we feel like it will help anything. I don't want to make too much change for now. If we did it, we'd pilot it, and it would exist around level cap increases. There is a lot to consider in whether we do that or not.

For now we are just going with the first change. Hope this helps make things easier.

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JTollers (SuperAdmin) 3/15/2013 10:50 PM EST : RE: *****KP Change Thread*****
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We made one small edit to the previous post from last night.

Since some content is still Locks and Box (like Helegrod, Draigoch, Skraids), they will still earn KP and use KP to bid. Most will be converted over time. It is presently unlikely that Skraids will (don't ask me why, it's just the current philosophy of the devs).

In any case, they are still all on Farm status, but since they have locks/box rolls, it's meaningful and good to earn and spend KP since they cannot be truly farmed and loot doesn't drop by Class by Player - it's all stuck in MLooter style.

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